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why is the hardware closed source?

Postby xstream » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:29 pm

I mean the developers are obviously into the whole open source idea (otherwise they would not publish the code for the software) but why is it then that they don't open source the hardware as well? Isn't the hardware finished yet or will it never be open sourced?
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby kinderkram » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:49 pm

What would be the advantages of having os hw?

The main reason is: we want to keep control over the complete manufacturing process of the hardware.
If it was Open Source we'd surely see chinese clones soon without a chance to handle the support for these.

There also were enormous initial costs for the prototyping, the test environment, shipping forth & back across the globe - all this needs to be covered.

Skilled hw designers are always welcome to join us. But there's barely a handful of geniusses willing to share their knowlegde for free.

One of them is Bill Nesbitt, chief hardware & software designer of the AutoQuad project.
Respecting his rights on his intellectual property isn't something we need to debate about ... I hope!
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby xstream » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:03 am

kinderkram wrote:What would be the advantages of having os hw?

well some people might learn from it
The main reason is: we want to keep control over the complete manufacturing process of the hardware.
If it was Open Source we'd surely see chinese clones soon without a chance to handle the support for these.

that problem could somewhat be mitigated by choosing a non commercial license (however maybe it will get copied anyway)
Respecting his rights on his intellectual property isn't something we need to debate about ... I hope!

of course not
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby aBUGSworstnightmare » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:09 am

Hi,

have a look at http://autoquad.org/software-downloads/?did=22

The document will give you a good amount of information on the I/O connections.

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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby Wingspinner » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:41 pm

xstream wrote:I mean the developers are obviously into the whole open source idea (otherwise they would not publish the code for the software) but why is it then that they don't open source the hardware as well? Isn't the hardware finished yet or will it never be open sourced?


And I ask why not? Everyone has ( or should have) the right to retain their IP if they choose and there is no shame in it especially I'd that's how they make their living. I doubt you would make the work you do very day "open" and just do it for free. On the otherhand for those who are just hobbyists its a don't care. They make their living another way. If you pressure and make it miserable for smart people to sell non-open source stuff well miss out on some great technology.

To me it's enough that the software is open. If you don't like the hardware then port it to something else!
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby jphelirc » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:05 pm

And if you are a good hardware designer, it's not super voodoo magic to make another electronics. Then you have your own electronics that you can port open software. Internet it full of material that can be used to make one.

--jp
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby jabram » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:56 am

I had this feeling ever since I carefully examined the board layout under the UBLOX GPS module and compared that to UBLOX very explicit recommendations on PCB layout for their modules. A lot of those important/crucial recommendations have not been followed on the AQ6 board.

Is it closed source to avoid embarrassing comments from those who have the experience and knowledge to comment on those aspects of the design ?
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby bn999 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:14 pm

This comment coming from a guy that can't seem to get a grasp on the concept of positive and negative.
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby jabram » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:22 pm

bn999 wrote:This comment coming from a guy that can't seem to get a grasp on the concept of positive and negative.

Hi Bill,

Sure, go ahead and blame one of your guinea pigs who parted with 527.40 Euros for the dubious pleasure of testing your closed hardware design.

I do recall a post on rcgropus wherein you wrote that you had not seen a micro until 2 or 3 years earlier, I have been successfully designing with micros since 1975.

You designed this FC with direct connection to a Lipo battery that can deliver sufficient current to weld or start a fire, a FC meant to be used in a flying frame that can crash and sustain short circuits, yet you did not think to include any protection whatsoever, not even a a simple pico fuse, good luck getting it approved anywhere.
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Re: why is the hardware closed source?

Postby bn999 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:35 pm

I'd think you would have learned a lot more in 35+ years. Didn't miss the post, simply ignored it. You're continued attitude will not inspire many to go out of their way to help you.
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